Henry and Ruger for the win. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were County fairs? I think probably not. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. 84283412342. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Great gun. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. Especially ones outside Chiraq. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. With support like that, who needs Everytown? Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. (This is in response to Mark). Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. Sellouts. Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. Did you expect anything less than shady from the Illinois legislature? Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. An XD and its in .40? They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. That was just a small part of the problem. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. If this bill actually passes, I think the hit should be pretty severe. Screw that. When I contacted Springfield about getting some spare magazines for my M1A, they told me they wouldnt sell to me because I lived in New York. No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. Because of rumors of canceled orders. If you do a little digging, you will find they were importing 1911s from Brazil in the early days too. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. The Ruger is berween $6-700. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? The bills author was (mostly) Rugers attorneys. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Kahr moved out of NY. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. 3/18/2013. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Neither excuse is a proper justification. A CEO that listens to the customer. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the The LAR-15 X-Series X-1 Rifle in .223/5.56mm from Rock River Arms is available at a manufacturer suggested retail price of $1,450.00 and $1,500.00, depending on the stock and color option (Black and Tan). In the world of .308 Win. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. That alone is enough to put them out of business. Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. Up yours Springfield! My time stinks apparently. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? No further recommendation about the products will be made. They hate freedom and absolutely love all powerful Government. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. CTD is my last choice. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. Some times they have deals. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. Search Ruger anti gun. And to be fair, those are twice the price of the Ruger. Rock River Arms has You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. This wasnt the first time gun dealer licensing has come up in Illinois. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! We feel that IFMAs My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). An American voting for a Democrat These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! The company makes a wide variety of weapons, For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. Thanks for Nothing SA. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. The Rock River Arms LAR-15 RRage 3G 5.56/.223 Rifle is a semi-auto rifle that delivers accurate shooting in a dependable platform with a clean, trim look. Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. F them. If you dont like their price dont buy. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. Customer service beyond any reproach. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. PERIOD. Compare. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. I bought my first Rock The Springfields looked to be a good value. Good luck! Welp. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. This story is libel. Well, not basically, they did. Its about the same price as an M1A. Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. Now they will pay the price. Done. And if stooges like you thought this could be run under the table without anyone noticing, well, guess you should be mindful of your business in the next few quarters. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. I look at their site and the parts were available from the same warehouses at a higher price. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. In the former case its a matter of not really understanding the client and in the latter its a case of assuming that its better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for permission. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. All have been accurate and reliable. Glad I waited. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. WebThis is the perfet mag for your LAR-15, and will work great in any AR-15 platform rifle. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. They have a good ongoing business, why jeopardize it? To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. F$&@ Ruger too! Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. That is sooo repetitious! At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine LAR-15 with ATN Day/Night scope. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. I hear you on that Ruger. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. Yes, very disappointed. I have to say this really makes me mad. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. Shocking I know. Apples and suspension bridges here. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. All businesses are licensed at the state level. Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. They must be put out of business for their treachery. Great grip and trigger. Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. Make the bill political kryptonite. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. Rock Rivers LAR-15 NSP CAR is a lightweight, reliable, well-made and accurate AR carbine that is ready for duty right out of That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. Who Makes Rock River Arms? The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. So I have to ask. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. Sorry for the spelling error. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. Dont know what will replace the EMP4 but I bet the TRP itch gets scratched by a Dan Wesson. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Last Updated. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Your Price: $744.13. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. January 2023. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. Which would help with elimination if in the future. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Good luck with that RRA. FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! All of these rifles are vastly superior to Ruger. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Better sell that RRA while you still can. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. I live in Illinois. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. Easy there tough guy. Nothing unethical about this practice. This companys name is Mudd. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Web50%. Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. Oh, hell no, he told me. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. I also find their use of Springfield Armory in their advertising repulsive, implying over 240 years of history in the current company, starting in 1777. thats the one ive just stopped considering. Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. 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